Super Tuesday
I don't know why many of my friends haven't even bothered to register to vote.For those who have, and the primary is in your state tomorrow, PLEASE PLEASE VOTE!!!
I am annoyed that people don't vote. This is our country, people!
More to come on another topic....soon IYH
posted by Michelle @ 4:59 PM
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well, ..I don't know about 'our' country...according to many Americans this really isn't or place..as Jews...
Sorry! But as a jew This is NOT "Our Country", we are in golus here... Aliens if you will...
"Our Country" is Eretz Yisroel where we shall return very soon.
I still agree that we should all go out and vote....
I totally agree Michelle. There should be NO excuse for your friends who haven't registered to vote.
As for the first two commentators and their speech on "This is not OUR country, etc..." Remember that every Jewish vote (regardless of who you vote for)helps organizations like the Agudah when they lobby or advocate for YOUR own benefit!
reiteration; our comments were rhetorical, not conceptual. If one can affect changes in the most powerful nation in the world, that is a useful tool. We can try to use our share in American democracy for the good of Man, and the good of the people of G-d, but not because "this is OUR country people!"
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I totally agree with you, Michelle. I am not from your "world," Jewishly, but not voting is widespread in the US, and it makes me really angry sometimes. Also, if we are in galus, then isn't this our country, for now? Israel is not redeemed yet, and I don't live there.
Is Katrina the only sane one around here? Thank you.
I know that this isn't "our country," although the a--holes who post signs on lamposts think it is, or those who constantly treat the place as if it's theirs.
"Also, if we are in galus, then isn't this our country, for now? Israel is not redeemed yet, and I don't live there."- The Conservative, and especially the Reform Jews obviously, take a much more patriotic position than the Orthodox. (Rav Hircsh was very mellow about Jewish nationalism, while Rav Soloveichik was much more pro-Zionist.)
Jews in America today enjoy equality rarely, if ever, experienced by the Jew in exile. But most recently the Jews felt a certain amount of autonomy in Germany, Austria, France and the Netherlands, as well as in the eastern block; Poland, Hungary, Lithuania, Latvia, Romania, the Ukraine and the Soviet Republic, and in a short while it turned out, for the patriotic assimilated Jews, and for the Traditionalist, separatist Jews that that autonomy would be very short lived...
My take:
1) Depends on the election
2) Depends on how much your vote will make a difference
- As a NYer, I voted yesterday because I thought the races were close. In the general election? I wouldn't - unless the polls showed the race was close, but 9 times out of 10 we're a blue state anyway.
I know, I know, everyone says "if only everyone voted, it would make a difference, so you should vote too." But let's face it, in some elections (in NY, the last governor election and last two senate elections particularly come to mind) chances are your vote isn't gonna make a difference. So if you have better things to do with your time, I don't see why it's that important to vote in what's probably gonna be a lopsided decision.
But if it looks like a close one? Get out there!
The point is not whether your vote will push one candidate over another. Instead, votes are grouped by area and our government representatives are very much aware of which groups come out and vote. Thus, if all Jews would vote, elected officials would be more inclined to address our issues knowing that we will come out and vote for/against them.
So, who did you vote for?
Come on! Show some guts!
I voted. Just because I'm hoping and praying to be in E"Y with Mashiach soon, doesn't mean I'm absolved of doing my duty as a citizen of the United States while I reside in this medinah shel chessed.
1)michelle, thanks for the public service announcement;
2)the replies to this post are just lame, and actually annoying to those who are passed the whole america v israel argument. we're not in yeshiva or sem in israel and we're certainly above that age so let's just not have these dumb never ending arguments.
Re:"the replies to this post are just lame, and actually annoying to those who are passed the whole america v israel argument. we're not in yeshiva or sem in israel and we're certainly above that age so let's just not have these dumb never ending arguments."
Um, I beg to differ! It could be our method of debate here is way childish, but 18-21 year olds are not the only people to whom these subjects apply, and definitely not the only people who should be discussing them. If these subjects have already been overly discussed, why are there still Jews in America, while our learders say that they are betrayers of our people?
I have always thought that it was appaling that in betei medrash people are discussing the fine tunings of of the laws of improper intent while bringing a korban, yet almost never discuss THE most undamental issues in Judaism. "The whole America vs Israel argument" is one of the most important issues in Judaism. Fact. It always has been. Great scholars have changed their minds about these things in their old age. I think just like we have very serious discussions about how to wash our hands (ritually), we should have much more serious discussions about what is the best in these regards for each individual from a religious, social, historical, Jewish destiny, Jewish continuity, and Jewish future perspectives.
American citizens who refuse to say that America is their country are simply bad citizens.
Such people should give up their citizenship today and move to wherever they think they should be citizens.
If you think a Jew cannot be a proper American citizen then you should put your money where your mouth is, stop taking advantage of this country and move to Israel already. Anything less is pure hypocrisy.
Notice how Michelle still refuses to answer who she voted for.
I won't say who I voted for, because regardless, I'll get attacked by that candidate's (or even political party's) enemies. There's no right answer in politics, so I'll keep this to myself.
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