Friday, September 22, 2006

Happy New Year! And my prediction.

For those living under a cave, or in a non-secular media environment, there has been a massive recall on Spinach leaves. There was an out-break of e. coli, and a few poeple have died from it. Many are ill.

Sure enough in helping shop for Yom Tov, there was no Spinach to be found on the shelves. Certainly a good thing.

Somehow I just know--trust me--that many Rabbanim (especially in the Yeshivish communities) will have some variation of the following, "Months ago when there was a problem with bug-infested lettuce, not everyone was machmir. They found ways around it. They bought other companies, said that it was from a different state, or justified it in other ways. But now that there's e.coli, nobody will be found eating Spinach leaves. We'd tell you there are Shratzim, it wouldn't matter. But e.coli--ah. So, I can't understand it, (begin singsong tone) when the shratzim aren't good for your neshama, you find a way around it. But when the secular media! Goyim! They tell us there's something wrong with the Spinach. We stay away. What does that tell you about our priorities? Are we thinking with our bodies or our Neshamois! Klal Yisroel must..."

Not poking fun. Just predicting. (That is, unless they don't know about the e.coli, of course)

Anyway, I'd like to wish all my readers a Shana Tova, filled with health, happiness, and spirituality! May we ALL be Zocheh to see the Geulah B'Karov.


At 9/22/2006 2:40 PM, Blogger Orthoprax said...

I think some people realize, in the back of their minds at least, that the whole "eating bugs is bad for your soul" thing is a little silly.

They won't actively go out and eat insects, but if they happen to swallow one or two by accident, even though they'd never realize it, no biggie. Accidents happen.

At 9/24/2006 3:25 PM, Blogger JBL the first said...


Happy New Year!!!

May this year be the year that all your/our hopes and dreams come to be. Amen!!!!


At 9/24/2006 5:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ortho - people don't refrain from eating insects because it's bad for your soul (unless you're chassidish and you believe in hocus pocus). People refrain from eating bugs because the Torah says we shouldn't. Huge difference.

At 9/24/2006 6:05 PM, Blogger Orthoprax said...


Michelle clearly implied in her post that it is believed (either by herself or by others) that eating bugs is bad for your soul.

But generally, I think most of the people do it for the reason you say, that the Torah says not to. Yet Halacha has different levels of care that one must have in order to fulfil the obligation. So people believe that they fulfill the Torah obligation even with a more lenient operation where they might be possibly eating a bug or two.

At 9/25/2006 4:16 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Happy New Year sweetie - I hope you find your beshert...x

At 9/25/2006 7:46 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ortho - Anon #1 here. Yes, I agree with you. It's like batel beshishim - perfectly good hetter in many cases, but people who believe in hocus pocus won't eat it because even a tiny drop they believe is bad for their soul.

At 9/25/2006 9:23 AM, Blogger Y.Y. said...

go back and learn the batal b'shishim halachas as live bugs or worms cannot be batal with lettuce or leaves
reshonim say that eating forbidden food is bad for the neshama at that time there were no chsidim so stop the bullcrap

At 9/25/2006 9:24 AM, Blogger Y.Y. said...

i think its in talmud actualy i will post it here soon
al t'shaktzi b'chul eilah

At 9/25/2006 9:34 AM, Blogger Orthoprax said...


"go back and learn the batal b'shishim halachas as live bugs or worms cannot be batal with lettuce or leaves"

Read again. Anon said that it was _like_ batel b'shishim. And I agree with him/her. There are lenient ways where you can wash your lettuce leaves and do a quick look-see and you've fulfilled the obligation to check for bugs.

"reshonim say that eating forbidden food is bad for the neshama at that time there were no chsidim so stop the bullcrap"

The Rishonim said lots of stuff...

In other words, you don't have to be Chassidish to believe in hocus pocus.

At 9/25/2006 10:15 AM, Anonymous Chani said...

If the Torah says that we should not eat bugs, doesn't that automatically mean that eating bugs is bad for our souls? Everything that a person does wrong is bad for his soul-better known as "neshama."

At 9/25/2006 11:10 AM, Blogger Semgirl said...

Shana Tova... A gut gbenched yor, Michelle. Hope you are mochel me for everything..

At 9/25/2006 12:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chani: No. We don't avoid treif food because it's bad for the soul. We avoid it because God told us to. It's that simple. Now there are cases where we may eat food that may not be kosher (battel berov, battel beshishim, lo kderech achila, etc.) and yet they are perfectly fine to eat halachically! Now if you want to be frummer than God, that's your prerogative, but if it were bad for your soul, why would they be permitted? Why don't you people think logically ever? Once you drink the cool-aid you start to lose brain cells.

At 9/25/2006 12:39 PM, Blogger skepticbentorah said...

interesting prediction you might be right that they will say that, but if they do you should know it's complete nonsense. Chazal tell us, Chamira Sakanta mei'isurah, a sakana (endangering one's health) is more stringent, from a halachic standpoint, from issur ( halachic prohibition). So the people are right for worrying more about health than kashrus.
I predict that the rabbanim will prophecize that the reason there are people suffering from ecoli is because they were not careful with the laws of bugs in spinnach. They always seem to know why everything happens. of course only after they happen. like the Lebanon war is a direct cause of the scheduling of the international gay parade in Jerusalem. and why did the holocaust happen? I forget, go ask your local rabbi.Anyways this material for a whole other post.
Shana Tova! T'all!

At 9/25/2006 2:21 PM, Anonymous Bert in Tucson said...

Shana Tova!

I wish you a great year. Continue your wonderful sensible human posts--they are a joy to read--I love your brain and your heart.

At 9/26/2006 6:34 AM, Blogger Mata Hari said...

humble -
why so negative all the time? can't you find anything good about the community or the lifestyle to talk about? i understand venting and feeling free to express yourself....but try not to get too cynical.

At 9/26/2006 4:37 PM, Blogger Michelle said...

skeptic bentorah--excellent point.

I understand we shouldn't eat bugs. But like a few mos ago when all you can find on shelves was Iceberg lettuce...I dunno. There's a level to how far you can take things. I mean, the way I look at it, buy the checked lettuce, and rinse it, and look at a few leaves, and enjoy. But apparently I'm a bad Jew for believing so---guess that's why I'm not a Rabbi.

MH--why am I negative? because when i write positive, nice, good stories, everyone seems bored. Nobody cares. Nobody reacts. When you watch the news, what do you see/hear? The good things? usually not.

At 9/29/2006 9:27 AM, Anonymous Chani said...

Anonymous-I don't understand you & I think you're not understanding me. Yes, the reason we avoid eating bugs because Hashem told us to. Everytime we do an aveira, it has an affect on our neshamos. That makes sense, no? So obviously eating bugs would affect our neshamos & thus be "bad for your soul" just like any other aveira. I'm not quite sure where you lost me on that & what you meant in your post.


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